0382 - March 22nd, 2012, 11:18 pm
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[Posted by ErrePi on March 21st, 2012, 9:15 pm]

Hello, everyone! I hope my callous remarks during scenes like this don't take away from the experience. I should probably hold back but I try to keep my personal feelings out of your reading experience. Just, y'know, think what you want, feel how you feel.

In any case I probably won't be able to update at all next week. I have two projects due next week, five bumpers Monday and prints Friday.

But I did get some things done! You can take a look at the prints of Ian I finished!

http://vismanor.blogspot.com/2012/03/ian.html

The camera isn't any good, which is too bad. I thought the color combination came out well.

Something got screwed up while exposing the screen so all the prints of Ian are kinda dirty, haha. There's random flecks everywhere.

And it doesn't seem like I'll have time to do more prints outside of all the single characters before the school year ends, sucks. Sigh. I'm probably gonna have to do some digital prints instead. It's way easier but it's less fun. Haha.

In any case, if I can't, I'll probably see you all in two weeks! Woooo.



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[Posted by Ilmir on March 23rd, 2012, 3:20 am]

Ian's prints look SO COOL. I like them more than daniel's (sorry daniel, you are awesome, but...). Maybe because ian is cute, maybe because I love green, and most likely because Ian is cute. I'm so lame.

Too bad we won't have updates next week :I But good luck with your projects!



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[Posted by Dani (Guest) on March 23rd, 2012, 5:46 am]

First time I've ever commented but I gotta say I love this comic! The story and art style are amazing and I'm not ashamed to say that I totally want Timothy and Richard to get together cos they're so damn cute! <3



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[Posted by VikingScarecrow on March 23rd, 2012, 9:05 am]

This page gets all of my love, all of it. I like how Timothy's not just blatantly fangirling over Richard right now ('omg, I'm HOLDING him, eeeee'), and is giving a very heartbroken, concerned reaction. It's little moments like this that make me fall more and more in love with your characters. You portray them so wonderfully that I, gah, I-I... I just don't have words ;A; <3



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[Posted by Tallinn on March 23rd, 2012, 9:13 am]

T_T
somehow, I really, really hate seeing Richard cry... don't know why. Probably because your characters are so damn lovable... I hope nothing terrible is going to happen to them afterwards.



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[Posted by thryn on March 23rd, 2012, 11:38 am]

oh gosh sobbbb this is so sweet and so sad RICHARDDDD ;A;))))



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[Posted by ErrePi on March 23rd, 2012, 9:57 pm]

@Ilmir: Thanks! I hope I'll get them done on time, haha.

@Dani: Aw, thanks! I'm glad you enjoy it and those two.

@VikingScarecrow: Haha, yup. I like how Timothy's acting here too. He's growing up a little bit.

D'aw, that's sweet! I'm glad! I love them too.

@Tallinn: Haha. Oyajicon. PSH.



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DEAR GOD [Posted by VoiceOfSociety on March 24th, 2012, 1:16 am]

SOMETHING HORRIBLE JUST DAWNED ON ME. PLEASE DON'T KILL RICHARD MID-STORY D:



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[Posted by ErrePi on March 25th, 2012, 4:12 pm]

@VoiceOfSociety: YOU CAN'T CONTROL ME.



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Awn ): [Posted by Sweet (Guest) on March 26th, 2012, 7:39 pm]

Ian look so cute on the print! ;D

(Looks like something broke in Richard ):



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[Posted by Odd1Out (Guest) on March 26th, 2012, 8:42 pm]

Richard, you're breaking my heart here. :(
I'm no expert, but how you write and when you choose to place certain dialogue sounds very natural. Some writers make their emotional scenes sound contrived or 'forced' (i.e. not enough prior-development to logically lead to such an emotionally strong encounter), but Richard's feelings (such as not wanting to cry in front of Ian) makes him all the more realistic to me. I still remember the lonely scene where he was all alone when the others went to get supplies. Poor guy. :(
I can't wait to see how your characters grow throughout their journey. I wonder if you ever feel like their parent, upon watching them flounder about throughout the plot?



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[Posted by bocaj (Guest) on March 26th, 2012, 11:18 pm]

I accidentally fell behind on the strips but now I'm back. I know you missed me!



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[Posted by ErrePi on March 27th, 2012, 9:38 am]

@Odd1Out: Ah, yes. Nothing like a contrived, sad backstory to force you into liking a character. Haha. Man, it shows up a lot in bad anime and manga where the character has no redeeming quality and I have to like them. But the thing about that is, it works! People fall for that shit. They read it and go, "Aw, man. He's got such a sad past, now I feel bad for him."

I don't. I kept wondering if it makes me a bad person that just hearing about a sad past doesn't make me go all motherly on them and then I realized, man. Doesn't matter how shit your past was, you still have to take responsibility for your actions. That's life.

When I realized that the more I hated bad villain characters with an abusive past that actually doesn't explain anything.

Ah, yeah. Someone on T.V. Trope listed Richard having a stepford smile, and it wasn't until I read it that I realized it's true.

I always thought of Richard as the mom of the group because Ian was around and I was always really interested in the mother figure in Grapes of Wrath. In the beginning, regardless of the problems, she kept a firm face because if she didn't, the family would worry. As the series progresses, she loses the facade more and more.

Reading that reminded me of my feelings as a kid, the worry that easily came about whenever my parents seemed to be struggling with something, and for some reason, my mom especially.

As for your question, yeah, I do! Haha. It's a little more than that too. Writing a character means having to have a feel for them in a lot of sense, having to know what's meaningful to them etc., is the basis of writing a good character. Having to understand their depths to the point you have an idea what music they might enjoy. Haha. It's not about forcing the characters to like music you like, it's about figuring them out to the point that you just know.

So it's easy to get emotionally attached, haha. Which is good 'cause you know how people always say to write from life? Once the characters become close to you as bosom buddies, it's easier to write scenes like this 'cause you get them.

Which might be why I joke around and make more crass author's comments when scenes like this roll around 'cause I've learned to laugh at past events in my life. Haha.

Sorry if that was too long. If it was, the answer to your question was:

Yes. Haha.

@bocaj: No. No one missed you.



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[Posted by Odd1Out (Guest) on March 27th, 2012, 4:57 pm]

When it comes to villains with a "tragic past", I can understand how an artist would involve that to attempt a more nuanced character and storyline. However, writing is not an exact science; it's an art that involves more than that. Just because you add in a dose of 'tragic past' doesn't make a character automatically sympathetic or believable. You are definitely right about that. It's difficult to re-create a convincing world of grey, even though humans tend to live in one.
Your view towards a characters' past is definitely similar to mine; everybody goes through conflict, but it doesn't excuse the fact that they must deal with it in some way or another. Sometimes they handle it productively; sometimes it's more self-destructive. It's an individual's unique reaction to a conflict that makes them so interesting to watch.

Ah, T.V.Tropes... the hours I spent browsing through its archives. I'm glad your series warranted enough attention to deserve a page of its own; and, it's always interesting to see how other fans percieve the characters. A "Stepford Smile" ... hmm, it does describe how Richard approaches life; not too stoic to be aloof, but not quite healthy either. *Concerned frown*
How you choose to incorporate a part of your childhood worries for your parents into a story that's shared with others... there's something magical about this process, although I can't pin exactly what. Maybe it's how you use art in a constructive, healthy way that's good for you and good for others? *Shrugs* Whatever the reason is, it's certainly healthier compared to other ways that I've seen other people organize and express their experiences, subconscious or consciously.
As for your "crass" comments, you shouldn't worry about it too much. When readers jump into your story, they are already hundreds of pages in and by that point, they will already have their own opinions about your characters. If anyone does complain to you, at least that means you did a good job--your characters are 'real' enough to be worth defending! *Laughs*
As for me, your comments are entertaining to read. :D

Heh, talking to you certainly opened my eyes more into the storytelling process. I always found the process behind it fascinating.
I don't often get to have these kind of discussions often with my friends or family, unfortunately. So, hearing about your experiences helps me better understand the creations wandering in my head, too.

P.S: I like reading your long and thoughtful responses (JUST SAYIN', IF IT ISN'T OBVIOUS). :B



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[Posted by ErrePi on March 27th, 2012, 7:27 pm]

@Odd1Out: Ah, that's completely awesome you enjoy talking about story-telling. My good friend, who is the only one I can talk to about story-telling, moved out and I won't see him for a while so it's been killing me.

But seriously, if you ever want to talk about writing in any other story outside of the comic, I'd love to. I confess to not having time to watch/read anything with school starting, but sometimes just giving me a context I might be able to talk about it.

And definitely, definitely. I understand what it is the author is trying to do, but bad cases of it are just bad.

I don't think they realize the whole point of a tragic past is the explain motivation and the end result is no connectivity and a very obviously shoe-horned trope.

The argument, "My parents beat the shit out of me so now I must destroy the world" makes no sense. It's obvious the writer just thought, "Oh, now he's relatable" and just stopped and never thought to think how a person might believably react to that to lead them to destroying the world.

Which is funny, it's not like we're without people like that in life. We have those, they're living something called a "destroy lifestyle" or whatever? I can't remember. But it's groups of internet vigilantes that are harming people in the name of their own set of justice and personal moral system.

No one's used them. I can't believe it! There's interviews with them, they loudly espouse their motivation, which is exactly a super villain trope, and no one uses it. Some of them have been abused and raped but no one uses them! It's crazy.

Ah, thanks. I believe that regardless of genre, people are people, you can't write without having them be real in their own feelings. Their landscape could be anything but neither time nor place can change any core reactions we might have.

Even if the situation isn't exactly the same, if you can get any emotions the characters are feeling to be real enough, you can make any situation or world seem real. Though there are terrible people who believe in a very niche set of sociability and often say things like, "This could never happen and people don't react that way."

People don't act rationally sometimes, like how sexual assault victims have trouble saying that it happened to them. Not everyone gets why they do it but it's a common reaction so there must be some rationale. If you write it with the feelings real enough so their motivation makes sense, it can be relatable. People can get why it happens.

I think Takehiko Inoue is amazing about this, when I read his work I can completely relate to this samurai who enjoys killing people and I somehow understand this character who is suddenly bound to a wheelchair.

Haha. That's good if my comments don't take the readers out of the moment. I was having a really rough time dealing with my grandpa dying a couple years ago and I made a, "Glad he's not alive to see this" joke in front of my friend. She just shockingly said, "Oh my god" repeatedly in response but I just laughed 'cause it helped me to make it easier. (I wouldn't make that kind of joke in front of my family, of course.)

So, y'know. I'm not the most sensitive. Haha.

In any case, if you ever want to talk to me about your own writing, I'd love to. I just really love talking about the writing process, haha.

P.S. I'm glad!



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Thank God I'm Not Counted as "Spam" D: [Posted by Odd1Out (Guest) on March 30th, 2012, 4:50 pm]

@ErrePi:

Ah, Takehiko Inoue of "Vagabond" fame, am I right? I haven't gotten to read his works yet, but he's mentioned in several of the books I've read regarding the unique storytelling that only comics are capable of.
Literature, theatre, comics, video games, movies... it doesn't matter the medium; all kinds of storytelling intrigue me. Knowing the "behind the scenes" procedures, the professional vocabulary, the specific techniques involved... those kind of creative systems always fascinated me as a kid.
If you're ever interested, you should check out "Understanding Comics" and "Making Comics" by Scott McCloud. It's one of the closest things to actually analyzing comics as an art form--and hey, the titles are in comic form as well! However, if you are more interested in the application opposed to the theory behind it... the second title would probably be of more use to you.

And just a random question: have you ever seen any plays growing up?
Right now I'm taking a theatre and storyboarding class and it's amazing how a good performance--whether on stage or on storyboard--can pull somebody in. It's funny how if you're shy about acting on stage, you can still become an "actor" by going over a character's lines and body language when planning out the thumbnails for a film, comic, or animation.
Two of my current favorites plays that my teacher introduced me to is "Death of a Salesman" and "Antigone." Did you ever had to read those for a class? If so, anything that stuck out to you (both good and bad)?

And, you did a good job explaining why having only a tragic past isn't good enough. I understand better now.
You are right: the lack of connectivity between one's past and current motivations weakens one's ability to connect with their audience. Granted, there's genuinely kind people who'll feel sympathy for any antagonist (even if the connection doesn't make logical sense), but a writer who exploits that kind of short-cut limits both their skills and audience potential.

In summary: hell yeah, I'd enjoy talking to you about storytelling! *Grins widely* I don't mind other topics either if it naturally comes to that either. Oh, and before I forget... what's your preferred mode of communication? E-mail? Me spamming your smackjeeves comments? Private messaging? Something else? A mixture of all of those, according to our moods?

P.S: Haha, I'm not exactly the most sensitive out of my friends either. The joke you made about your grandpa sounds like something I would say (but not in front of family, of course). Humor is definitely good medicine. Hell, if you ever read things written by authors who were former-soldiers, one notices their trend for 'gallows humor!'



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[Posted by ErrePi on April 1st, 2012, 5:08 pm]

@Odd1Out: Yep, Takehiko Inoue is definitely my favorite mangaka of all time. (Though Eiichira Oda is a very close second.) Vagabond is great but I think his comic "Real" is my favorite.

Ah, yeah! Being able to look at story telling across multiple mediums definitely gives one an understanding of the unique capabilities for each medium.

Ah, I've read those Scott McCloud books. But yeah, conceptual comics is always pretty interesting. I used to be more interested in making conceptual comics but then I realized that the ones I remember are more the story based ones. Conceptual ones definitely lead the way to different ways of story telling but sometimes the novelty of that tends to overpower the story for me and I end up forgetting the story.

For me I'm definitely more story focused but I still really admire those who are interested in the pure artistic aspect of it.

Hm. I haven't seen many plays in my life, the last one I saw was "History Boys" with a friend at least four years ago?

Wow, that's pretty interesting. I haven't worked with actors ever but I plan to in the future. And since I'm a massively shy person that's really interesting to me, the power of just visualizing it, huh? I'd love to hear anything else you have to say on the matter.

I read "Death of a Salesman" six years ago and the last play I read was "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolff?" Ah, to be honest I have trouble analyzing plays, especially ones considered classics. When it comes to classic I'm mostly interested in the theme of it. For those two plays I mentioned, I really liked the disillusionment of the American Dream. It definitely showed a changing time and growing dissatisfaction.

I'm generally pretty optimistic (I hope in a realistic way) so I'm really interested in the opposite spectrum of more the cynic. They are automatically thought to be the more realistic view 'cause the common idea is "How can you be happy with all the problems in the world?" and also in the idiom "Ignorance is Bliss". Optimists tend to be considered to have their heads in the cloud and that might be the problem I have with cynical stories.

Still, regardless of philosophy, I think the idea of inadequacy and dissatisfaction we feel on a personal level is a great universal theme. It doesn't matter whether you're an optimist or not, we have those moments. I like looking at those moments and realizing that I got past it somehow.

Haha. So basically even if they're not my most favorite stories to read or ones that I usually write, I still are drawn to them a lot. It's just incredibly important to make sure you don't lose sight of what you're doing with your life.

Haha. I'm glad my explanation meant something. While writing Led by a Mad Man, I definitely had to take the time to examine sorrow in story and proper and improper usage for it. I feel like it could have been very easy for me to make all the characters unsympathetic so I'm always glad when the readers can sympathize.

Yeah. With people who are easily swayed by people who just say, "Well, he got raped so now you should feel bad about him" I feel like very easily only look at the surface of things. I know I shouldn't blame the audience but, man. I suppose I wouldn't blame them if they were MY audience 'cause it's my fault. But man. You can't let people tell you things, you need to figure for yourself what you feel or don't feel for these characters.

Haha, cool! I think it's pretty obvious from my verbose responses I obviously enjoy talking to you about story telling too? Haha. The best place to contact me would be my email. randomperson89@gmail.com I check it everyday and it's just easier for me than SJ and such 'cause I don't have to wade through menus to see if I had a message or not, haha. Or, if you would like a conversation, I am on Skype though not lately. I wish I had time to just socialize, haha. Hopefully when I graduate.

Hahaha. Good to hear. I feel like people who condemn those who laugh at their personal tragedy would rather wallow in it then move on and that's a shame.

Ah, speaking of gallows humor, really interesting. My friend and I were watching a documentary on happiness and there were some interviews with soldiers in the Vietnam War. They stated, "If I had to go through the prison scene again I would."

And I was just like, "Yeah, me too!" If I had to relive all that childhood moments, I would. I was affected and learned so much from them, I have a hard time denying myself those moments of growth and understanding in my life, especially if I'm satisfied with myself at the moment.

Which is why I think learning from a tragedy is important. You can either learn a sad lesson or a happy lesson but I rather learn the more optimistic one and that's why, if possible, I'd like to call myself an realistic optimist. Haha.

I hope people can get the feeling from the stories I write, the resilience of the human spirit to get past a tragedy.



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[Posted by VoiceOfSociety on April 4th, 2012, 7:31 pm]

@ErrePi: BUT I CAN BEG! D:



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[Posted by ErrePi on April 5th, 2012, 8:47 am]

@VoiceOfSociety: Your begging has no effect on me!

Null: Tears



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I'M NOT DEAD...YET. [Posted by Odd1Out (Guest) on April 10th, 2012, 5:51 pm]

@ErrePi: Just wanted to let you know that I am aware of your response and that I am DEEPLY SORRY (OTL;;;;) for the rude period of absence. Between school projects and my job, I haven't been able to compile a more thoughtful response yet.
I just wanted you to know that you should expect an e-mail from me (Astrojade9@aol.com) sometime this week. *Dies*



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[Posted by ErrePi on April 10th, 2012, 10:03 pm]

@Odd1Out: Hey, man! Nah, it's ok! I know how life can be, I've been busy too.

Take your time. Or, if it's too much, just forget about it. You can just wait 'til we're both less busy. Haha.



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[Posted by VoiceOfSociety on April 10th, 2012, 10:56 pm]

@ErrePi: CAN I BRIBE?! I MAKE MEAN CHOCOLATE-CHIP-BACON COOKIES! XD



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[Posted by ErrePi on April 11th, 2012, 8:45 am]

@VoiceOfSociety: Wow. That's a definite no.

You cannot sway my artistic and literary integrity with promises of baked goods!


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